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Roger Warin
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Posted: Nov 26, 2013 17:14 Post subject: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Hi list,
I present a very rare little jewel of Mt St Hilaire (Poudrette Quarry). It’s the twin of Serandite on (110).
I have not found a comparable picture on Internet.
Roger.
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Serandite Poudrette Quarry, Mt St Hilaire, Quebec 3 cm high Twin on (110). |
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Chris Rayburn
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Posted: Nov 27, 2013 11:06 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Beautiful Roger! I've not seen one like this before.
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John S. White
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Posted: Nov 27, 2013 14:12 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Same here. Great to see such a perfect twin.
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Nov 27, 2013 16:48 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Hello Chris, John,
Thank you very much Chris, John.
I took over a new pic to show that it's a twin.
The two upper faces (001) and (001) are not in the same plane (not coplanar). An angle of about 8 ° is between these faces.
Roger.
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 04:42 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Hi,
Serandite is a rare mineral, group pyroxenoids. It’s a mineral of igneous rocks. It’s discovered in the nepheline syenite (without quartz) in Mt St Hilaire. This is the Mn term related to the pectolite (calcium pole of the solid solution).
The pinacoids {-102} and {-101} are not present in the crystal. I have given because they are common and may be responsible of striations.
Twinning: Around [010] composition plane {100}.
Less commonly this contact twin on {110}.
Roger.
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Serandite Poudrette Quarry, Mt St Hilaire, Quebec drawing of the contact twin on {110}. |
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Michael Shaw
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 10:13 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Beautiful specimen Roger. I have never seen another like it.
Michael
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 10:48 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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The Mineralogical Record put this twin on the cover of the July-August 1990 issue dedicated to the Mt St Hilaire.
Difference: specimen 12.5 cm.
Roger.
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Don Lum
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 13:05 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Roger Warin wrote: | Hi list,
I present a very rare little jewel of Mt St Hilaire (Poudrette Quarry). It’s the twin of Serandite on (110).
I have not found a comparable picture on Internet.
Roger. |
A very beautiful and rare specimen, Roger. I have seen Serandite described as "salmon-colored" but this specimen has a deeper richer color than I have seen.
Congratulations.
Don
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Pete Richards
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 15:29 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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I can't let Roger have all the fun.... Here's my much less professional photo of my example of this twin. I was remembering it as self-collected, but a look at my catalog says that is not the case - I bought it.
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Serandite twin Poudrette Quarry, Mont-Saint Hilaire, Quebec, Canada 13 mm tall
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 16:42 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Hi Pete,
I gladly share the fun. Michel Houssa had the good eye to choose this specimen. I see that your specimen is very similar.
I do not know the period of the find, but this date is 1973 or 1988, I think so.
I’m not a professionnal, just a keen amateur.
Roger.
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Nov 28, 2013 16:44 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Many thanks Don,
It is difficult to reproduce the color of a mineral. Much depends on the lighting. My photo was taken in the light of a typical gray and dark day in the Belgian climate. Little light and a rather long exposure.
That said, is that this specimen is rather red, but it also has a color component "orange blossom" (couleur fleur d’oranger) as said Lacroix, who discovered the mineral on the island of Rouma, Los Archipel, French Guinea and described it (1931). J. M. Sérand was his guide.
Roger.
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Dec 01, 2013 00:53 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Hi,
Serandite, Mt St Hilaire, Quebec. Equant crystal.
Equant and euhedral crystals are always aesthetically pleasing. They summarize the crystalline forms presented in textbooks. I added the drawing oriented as the photo.
PS: I have not identified the small crystals. This may be a second generation of Serandite. What do you think about?
Roger
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Serandite Mt St Hilaire, Quebec 3 cm Equant euhedral crystal |
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Serandite drawing of the picture. |
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Pete Richards
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Posted: Dec 01, 2013 15:56 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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A lovely single crystal with great deep salmon color! Yes, I think the small crystals are another generation of serandite.
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Roger Warin
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Posted: Dec 01, 2013 16:49 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Thank very much Pete.
I really appreciate your comments.
Indeed, if I'm not mistaken, you were the first crystallographer to study and establish the laws of the two twins of serandite.
Is it not so?
Roger.
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Pete Richards
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Posted: Dec 01, 2013 17:12 Post subject: Re: Poudrette Quarry - Mt St Hilaire, Quebec |
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Roger Warin wrote: | ...Indeed, if I'm not mistaken, you were the first crystallographer to study and establish the laws of the two twins of serandite.
Is it not so?
Roger. |
As far as I know, I was. I studied materials that I collected, and traded for, ca. 1988 at Mont Saint-Hilaire (MSH), and identified twinning and determined the twin laws, and these determinations and some figures were published in the important monograph on MSH by Les Horvath and Bob Gault in Min Record in 1990 (volume 21 issue 4).
Given the scarcity of good crystals of serandite world-wide, earlier twin descriptions seem unlikely. However, if anyone knows of earlier descriptions, I would love to know of them and most of all to know if my findings are in agreement with theirs!
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